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So one morning I was going through my DA messages and there was one from deviant RaikuHoshigami with a rather interesting proposition. Basically, he suggested that I write an article on "Cyber-Bullying" as it pertains to MMD.

He raised some really interesting points with respect to this subject and in a nutshell these were all points that affect many of us here on DA who are MMDers, either directly or indirectly. Especially since outside of Japan, many MMDers are exactly in the demographic groups most likely to be affected by "Cyber-Bullying"; namely those who are in their pre-teen and teens. There are also instances to my direct knowledge where some who are in their early 20s have been negatively impacted in their experiences with MMD by others on DA. So, this is a subject worth visiting in a little more depth.

So what we will do here are the following:
(And I'm afraid we can only touch the subject in this article briefly as it is actually quite a complex topic)

  1. What is Cyber-Bullying as it pertains to MMD and why Cyber-Bullying is bad for MMD
  2. The "MMD Police" and why this is a "bad" thing
  3. What you can do if you're a victim of Cyber-Bullying

I've included at the end a list of links for more information and help on this topic.

First off, in the United States, cyber-bullying is illegal. California has specific legislation that deals directly with this type of activity. Most other States have this area covered under existing anti-harassment or anti-stalking legislation. Most major Police Departments also have anti-Cyber-Bullying units and they do take this matter seriously, more so than perhaps physical harassment cases. So be warned, if you engage in this type of activity, you can end up in serious trouble with the Law. Also, don't think that just because you're hiding behind a screen name on the Internet that the Authorities can't find out who you are and where you live. It's actually a lot easier than you may think.

Also a very important point. Cyber-Bullying can only occur between "kids". "Kids" being defined as minors as provided by Law. An adult that is engaged in this type of activity against a minor can be charged with harassment. At the very least this can lead to being charged with a misdemeanor (= hefty fine + other penalties) and in more serious cases a felony (= jail time). The penalties upon conviction for a minor are no less severe and can even lead to a mandatory stay at the local Juvenile Detention Center (Juvenile Hall in more common palance).

What is Cyber-Bullying as it pertains to MMD and why Cyber-Bullying is bad for MMD

Cyber-Bullying occurs when someone makes a nasty digital communication (remark /post /comment /picture /message /website /blog/trolling) that is designed to hurt or embarrass the recipient  Especially if this behavior is repetitive and when others are bought in to perpetrate further attacks on the victim. "Kids" and especially teens are much more likely to be adversely affected by this type of behavior than adults. In extreme cases, cyber-bullying have led to cases of clinical depression and even to suicides by victims in the USA; which is why the Government and other Authorities are increasingly concerned about the problem. 

The most likely form that this will occur within the context of MMD is when people make nasty remarks on someone else's MMD picture or video. For example, a lot of kids like to create OCs (Original Characters) that are a reflection of themselves - call them avatars if you like. So just imagine what would happen if a child spends hours with the PMD editor, creates a self-image for use in MMD, then posts a picture of this model on their DA page. Along comes someone and they post a comment such as: "That's ugly ...". How do you think that child will feel?

Let's compound the problem. So the person who posts the comment gets his friends to post similar comments; now you have a group ganging up on the child. In traditional bullying, a kid can run home, shut the door and is safe within the confines of his own home. They cannot do this when they're on the Internet because the Internet brings the world into their home.

OK, they can turn off the computer and the problem would go away right? Well unfortunately, no. First off, most kids aren't mature enough to do that and secondly, those postings will still be there the next time they go back on the Internet.

When I looked around DA, especially at the names used by many of the groups dedicated to MMD, I can see that this MMD community has had a lot of what kids refer to as "drama". This is where one group of kids pick on another kid or kids and basically there's been a series of online battles occurring within the confines of DA without the knowledge of most adults. The end result is that the community becomes fractured and many kids leave the hobby completely due to their negative experiences.

In Japan, the MMD community is demographically older. They probably have their own issues, but that's not the discussion here. Over here, "Overseas" as the Japanese refer to us, our demographics do include a much larger community of minors; and that is a good thing. I have seen kids use my models in ways that I would never have imagined. There is a lot of creative energy coming from the kids and that's really wonderful. By the same token, that behooves those of us who are adults to do something when individual kids (or other for that matter) are picked on. Kids get all over the place on the Internet. Most can be on their cellphone, IM, Twitter, Facebook and DA all at the same time in a manner that few adults could possibly emulate. For them cyber-space is their world and an environment in which they can thrive as fish does in water. Yet it can also be a dangerous place and as responsible adults we can and should help them when they get in trouble.

There's probably many things that adults can do to help; but this is what I've been doing for a year on DA so maybe you might get some ideas from what I am about to put forward. Mine is not the definitive solution; it is merely my way of doing things.

  1. I keep my DA pages "G" or at least "PG" rated. When I depart from this norm I make sure that my work is safely behind the mature filter.
  2. I will respond to 99% of any comment posted on my pages in a friendly matter. There's always that 1% to which my ability to formulate an intelligent response totally fails.
  3. There have been times when Deviants have come to "my side" of DA complaining that they have not been receiving "nice" treatment elsewhere on DA. My response has always been that they are ALWAYS welcomed in my small corner of DA. I have always done this for a purpose, and that is to provide people of all ages a "safe haven", in as much as I can, within the boundaries of my pages. People can come here, read about Miku and the other Vocaloids doing insane things and have a good laugh, grab a nice model to play with, read one of the tutorials and learn something or just look at my MMD pictures (and get another good unintentional laugh). My work was designed to make my pages be a safe place to hang out. Just peruse through the different sections of my DA pages and you will find evidence of this policy everywhere. I can't stop the drama, nor can I necessarily stop the bullying, but I can provide kids (and others) somewhere safe to go should they need it. It's one of the least things that I can do to contribute to this community.

That does not mean I am necessarily a "nice guy". I am not. I have chewed out people and quite aggressively at that if my buttons have been pressed the wrong way. That said, I am a skilled communicator and can usually differentiate between the posting of kids from those of adults so I will, in general, gauge my more aggressive postings accordingly.

And this leads nicely to the next point.

The "MMD Police" and why this is a "bad" thing

I am a big advocate of the First Amendment Freedom of Speech. Which is one of the reasons I've argued that within certain legal contexts, there's no such thing as an "illegal edit". And if you think about it, how can an edit be "illegal" especially since in most instances, an illegal edit, if not protected by the First Amendment can reasonably be argued as being protected under Fair Use guidelines? Please don't misconstrue what I am saying here as my being a supporter of model redistribution where this clearly breaches the copyrights of the copyright owner. That is a separate matter all together.

So, if someone wants to edit (say for example) the Windows100% model by Mamama of See U. So long as it's just for show, that's fine by me. Besides, I don't speak for either Windows100% magazine nor for Mamama. I have no idea what they would think about the edit. If they have an issue with it, that's between them and the person who made the edit. It is not my place to go to that person's page and post some negative remark stating that the edit was "illegal". Now, if they also decided to distribute that model, I might say something, but one can put the point across politely and nicely. What happens beyond that point is really between them and the copyright owner. Seriously, it really is none of my business.

Does this kind of reasoning make sense?

So, some people seem to make it a habit to go on to other peoples pages; sees something that they consider to be an "illegal" edit and use that as an excuse to attack the author. Note, that they have the tendency to attack the author and not just point out the transgressions that they have perceived in the work. There is a big difference and you can usually tell by the tone of the posting. 

Have you ever wondered who appointed them to protect the copyright owner? Certainly in 99.99% of the time, not the copyright owner right? So who do those who portray themselves as the "MMD Police" really represent? 

Here's my answer: "Themselves".

Just as my opinion is worth "diddly-swat", so is theirs. All they generally accomplish at the end of the day is to hurt someone else's feeling so that they can feel good about themselves. Which is why I have a consistent policy of taking a very aggressive stance towards anyone posting a comment questioning the "legality" of an edit. The MMD Police almost never have the moral high ground simply because they never had it in the first place - think about this for a moment. And if you're stuck for an answer to this question just ask yourself again who they really speak for.

But the thing that really gets to me and makes me angry with this type of behavior is because of its potential to do real harm to the emotions of the author, and generally, this will be a kid or a teen. Unlike most adults, they would not have developed the emotional armor to protect themselves and can easily be seriously hurt by negative remarks. 

"Sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me", is not a defensive strategy applicable to kids and teens. All you need to do is watch children at play in the park to ascertain that name calling does lead to tears. It takes years for us to develop the layers of emotional protections that most adults have to shield themselves from the negative behaviors of others in society. Honestly though, even for adults negative comments can be hard to deal with. So it doesn't take much logic to see how this impacts kids and teens, and why "cyber-bullying" or for that matter any type of bullying is bad.

Think about this point a bit further and maybe perhaps you will understand why I attack the MMD Police "on sight" regardless of the poster's age. Sometimes they are kids, and I will back off (or they get scared off), but very often they are not kids and this is disturbing. Something is very wrong with this picture don't you think when older teens and adults attack younger kids? And how do I know whether the poster is a teen, adult or a kid? If their language doesn't give them away, their DA pages generally would. Which is why I always take a peep at their DA page before responding with my own posts.

DA is a place where people of all ages and abilities show their self expression to the world. Art is a very personal expression. Every piece of art contains a part of that person in that work. When you attack a piece of art (except as perhaps a trained art critic) you can easily end up inadvertently attacking the originator of that art personally and hurtfully. This is one of the primarily reasons why I almost never ever write a critique, unless I know the person well. Even then, it's phrased very, very carefully.

These are the two main reasons why I detest the MMD Police with a passion. First they are self appointed individuals who believe they have the moral right to attack someone because of some perceived infringement of copyright (which in itself as I have outlined elsewhere is a highly complex legal subject). Secondly, almost in all cases that I've personally seen, they then pursue their activities against someone who in most cases is virtually defenseless. If these are not clear cut examples of cyber-bullying or in the case of an adult, cyber-harassment, I really don't know what it is.

The only person who can speak for the copyright holder is the copyright holder themselves and their appointed legal representatives. Anybody else is just a busybody, who if you want to stretch the logic only slightly, can actually do the legal copyright holder more harm than good. So really, the so called MMD Police is really helping no one other than themselves and hurting others in the process of pursuing their own selfish agenda.

If someone is editing a model they really shouldn't, there are positive ways of telling them what they are doing is not correct without hurting their feelings. And in general, when you don't attack people, they will generally do what you ask. It is simply effective communications put into action and is really easy to implement even on the Internet. So if you are moved to make a negative point, put it over in a positive manner. Seriously, it's not rocket science.

What you can do if you're a victim of Cyber-Bullying

If you find yourself a victim of a cyber-bullying attack (regardless of how you personally want to define that), do the following. Bear in mind that these are only suggestions and the links I've provided at the end of this article gives other strategies you can employ to protect yourself. Also, my strategy applies primarily to your experiences on DA.

  1. Get away from the computer until you calm down, or at the very least, away from the post that you find upsetting. Things that I do when something upsets me online is to "walk the dog". On some days, my dog gets a lot of walks ... 
  2. If you must stay online, go do something else such as finding a nice new model to download and play with in MMD. Or go play an MMORPG. One of the (only) great things about Korean Free-to-Play MMORPGs is that they provide hours of mindlessly enjoyment grinding on the same mobs over-and-over again. This is a great therapy to work off frustrations and pent up anger.
  3. When you return to DA, HIDE the post that you find offensive - don't respond to it. Then BLOCK the person who made the post. If they return under another ID, repeat the process, but also REPORT them to the DA Staff. It is against the DA TOS to harass other DA users.
  4. Do not be afraid to get help, ideally from a parent, a school counselor or another responsible adult. Do this face-to-face ideally as it makes a big difference. Even if you may think that it's only a "little thing", if it bothers you, seek at least their advice or opinion. 

A Note On Constructive Criticism

It has been bought to my attention by Deviants: mbarnesMMD, FeatherlessHeresy and Andvili, that I should mention that "Constructive Criticism" should not be mistaken for Cyber-Bullying. Within the DA environment, constructive criticism is a helpful mechanism in which other Deviants will try to offer a "critique" on a work that is on display. For subscription accounts, artists can specifically ask for critiques, but free accounts can't and these will end up in the comments section, which may cause them to be mistaken for something that they are not.

Critiques/Constructive Criticisms are intended as helpful commentary on the work on display. Deviants trying to help an artist develop will spend some time and thought to comment on what they like, don't like and suggested avenues to explore to improve either the work or the artist's skills. As such they can be an invaluable aid for artists. These are not personal attacks nor should they be mistaken for cyber-bullying posts or comments posted by "trolls" even if they present a negative view on the artwork.

Let me give you an example for clarification:

"The basic composition is fair, but you might want to review your color choices. Also the expressions on the model don't really work in portraying the emotions you are trying to relay with this piece. Additionally, the background choice is poor as it is distracting."

Rather a negative post, yes. But it does not attack the artists; it is just the subjective opinion of the work from the commentator's perspective. It's designed to tell the artist how this particular viewer finds the work. People are different so other people may say essentially the same thing in a different way. Critiques, which are also referred to as constructive criticisms, are an intrinsic part of the DA culture - after all, this is a site devoted to the Arts, right?

A cyber-bully attack is different. Here is a crude example:

"That sucks cuz you suck, a fat monkey can draw better than that."

See the difference?


DA is a great place for MMD. Plenty of nice people, great selection of MMD related works to view, plenty of useful information on MMD and of course a huge selection of free models. It should also be a safe place. People do get passionate about MMD and I've seen arguments, and provided that this is about the hobby, that's "normal". However, when it gets personal you don't have to put up with it. There is help out there, all you need to do is reach out for it. You don't have to face these problems alone (and shouldn't).

That said, if you yourself behave like an idiot and someone calls you out on it (like me): that's not cyber-bullying, that's just you asking for it. At the end of the day, treat others as you like to be treated by others and generally that's a good policy. And if that doesn't work in certain instances, please do remember that you do have other remedies. 

The Law certainly takes cyber-bullying seriously; so if it does happen, know that you don't have to put up with it and there is help available; some of which are just at the end of a click on a mouse button.

Useful Links

DA - blocking people from your profile page:

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The opinions expressed in this article are purely my own and are presented for discussion purposes only.
An article on cyber-bullying as it pertains to MMD; based on a suggestion by ~RaikuHoshigami.
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stantheMMD Featured By Owner Dec 3, 2015  New Deviant Hobbyist Filmographer
i've seen this one before, but good read. never been in any specific MMD drama but i've had a little Vine drama in the past. i've had people tell me there are other ways to animate besides mmd, implying i should stop, or say i should go outside w/other people & make a vine. i've had to defend my reasons why i don't make front-face camera jokes that everybody's doing & most of the time people understand. it still cuts deep when i see comments like that though, so i have sympathy for anybody going through that, regardless of their age. i don't know if this makes sense, but it really isn't easy for some people to take the phrase "stay out of your feelings" and just run with it when they're stuck in a maze
AzureMMDer Featured By Owner Aug 17, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I've never been caught up in MMD drama before but hearing stories of it makes me really paranoid that I'll accidentally end up offending someone somehow. It's odd how a simple animation program can cause so much conflict. 
Trackdancer Featured By Owner Aug 20, 2015
My take on offending people online is simple. I don't knowingly do things to annoy people online, but then again I somehow manage to offend 'some' people. If they have an issue with me, I'm willing to talk things over, and if they are reasonable usually the issue can be settled. And if not, well the DA block feature comes in really handy.

So my advice (and this is worth only 2 cents). Just be yourself. It's the best idiot filter available and you'll end up meeting a lot of genuinely nice people and as for the obnoxious, just block them.
StrawberryBunnieBoo Featured By Owner Aug 12, 2015
i had to delte my other account and go into hiding on this one because i got harrassed so much 
one minuet your friends with someone. next thing you know you refuse to remove your hard work and they write a journal about you and your being yelled at by many mmders and being called a theif , copier, stealer
even the people i thought were my friends turned on me....

i didnt steal, or copy
and it got so bad i just up and left....i even told them i was going to commit sucide so they would leave me alone...

i hope this account will be better...i dont want to go through that again
Trackdancer Featured By Owner Aug 13, 2015
Yeah, some people can be so mean to others when operating from behind the relative safety of a computer screen. Good luck with your new account.
StrawberryBunnieBoo Featured By Owner Aug 13, 2015
TheUnfurled Featured By Owner Jun 12, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
My little niece plays MMD sometimes. I have taught her how to make dance animations and smooth drumming  (or guitar playing) animations. She burned a concert video she sung herself  (she has a beautiful voice to be 9) and her classmates, the diva kinds, they started making fun of her. And I believe they started bugging her with rude texts. She never actually took them seriously, she was just annoyed to death by them. But then they started saying she should kill herself and I caught her in my kitchen with a knife ;-;.
We had a very firm talk and she was a happy little girl when we were done, because then she deleted her messenger app.
I'm so proud of her for withstanding all of that.

But you're right, cyber bullying is a really bad problem. I have been cyber-bullied many times on the internet, and I'm pretty sure they're just trolls, but what they say is very hurtful towards me. They need to be banned from the internet some day. -_-
Trackdancer Featured By Owner Jun 13, 2015
And one day your niece will be a diva rockstar and then ... ^^ ... I am great believer in Karma!

Back in the days when I first started communicating with others on the Internet, I would often get in a huff due to the behaviour of some people. It's interesting how disrespectful some people can be from behind the safety of a monitor screen and a screen name. Then I just grew a thicker skin. So these days I just shrug off most disrespectful commentators and make liberal use of blocks and ban lists.

As I've long maintained. One can argue with me and quite passionately over any issue. Call me a name or insult me and basically, you're history. It's a strict policy, but it works and it doesn't ruin my day. But for kids it is harder because as a part of their growing process they do need 'feedback' from their peers. It's really easy to upset a child's equilibrium with nasty comments.

'Stick and stones may break my bones but names will never hurt me' isn't a strategy most kids can successfully implement till they have attained some level of maturity. Until then, 'adults' do have to get involved in the equation as necessary. Which is why I have long maintained that parents should be at least 'a little bit' aware of what their kids are doing on the Internet. This isn't spying on them. It's no different from keeping an occasional eye on your child when you take them to the park.
Vallie Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2014
I feel bad for the old veterans of the MMD community.
I only just came on loosely to make some things for the Oculus Rift only to find the MMD community's water long since poisoned by their own doings.

Makes me ponder if MMD ever did have 'good ol days'
StrawberryBunnieBoo Featured By Owner Aug 12, 2015
it did...its just certain people ruined it...i guess you could say it started when ETIC came along
from there things just went down hill
everyone started not trusting one one another, attacking the lower mmders for the smallest things

i was bullied so bad just a few days ago i had to leave my old account and go into hiding
Vallie Featured By Owner Aug 15, 2015
I truly am sorry to hear that.

Though this is the final destination of all communities.
Everything turning into a regime is usually what happens.

Problem is this can't be a good influence, especially for the young people.
I really do feel for them as I've had this happen to beloved communities.
StrawberryBunnieBoo Featured By Owner Aug 15, 2015
yeah, but there are still good mmders out there
Trackdancer Featured By Owner Dec 20, 2014
Thinks have quieten down a lot these days. In general people in the MMDC tend to be nicer now but then again, my block list did grow quite a bit over the course of 2014.
lian005 Featured By Owner Oct 25, 2014
Cyber bullying is one of the major problems for kids as they are exposed to different social media websites.

Internet safety for kids are indeed these days and parental control programs helps protecting kids. I also use a parental control program for my kid's safety.
Trackdancer Featured By Owner Oct 26, 2014
I have issues with software like that (not that they are inherently problematic). On the one hand, I want to respect my kid's privacy on the other hand I want him to be safe. My solution is to keep all our computers (except the tablets) in the same area of the home so all I need to do is look over at him to see what he's actually doing on the Internet.

And yes, he's had some issues in the past, but I was 'right there' when he needed it. And now that he's older, I need to look over his shoulders less as he's armed with the skill and knowledge to deal with a lot of issues and I'm still a yell away if he runs into a real problem. As for his tablet, the main problem he has with that is keeping it virus free as he downloads way too many games.
KitsuneShadoru Featured By Owner Aug 6, 2014  Student Digital Artist
Just a confession and ask though.
I've been seeing some "illegal edits" (aka no editing models being edited and distributed) and I POLITELY tell them to take it down. My reason is because I wanted to make the non-Japanese MMDC a little better like the Japanese MMDC, clean, fun and, rule-breaking free. Does that count as cyber bullying? I mean, I was telling them to do the right thing and not start war with the Japanese MMDC again-
StrawberryBunnieBoo Featured By Owner Aug 12, 2015
well politely asking them isnt , however when it goes too far and ends up with a massive group of people harassing them like what happend to me on my old account,then thats bullying
if i had to suggest anything from the victims point of veiw
maybe talk about it in notes where others cant see? that way people cant start ganging up

thats just my opinion tho
sorry to randomly just barge in
Trackdancer Featured By Owner Aug 9, 2014
No that's not cyber-bullying - but honestly, you're wasting your time. People that are stupid and selfish enough to do as you indicated, aren't likely to do as you 'politely' suggest. Best thing to do is to just not support anything that they do - they'll usually go away eventually if they don't receive the attentions that they crave and leave the rest of us who actually like MMD and respect the works of others in the community alone to enjoy these works as they're supposed to be enjoyed.
KitsuneShadoru Featured By Owner Aug 9, 2014  Student Digital Artist
Alright I understand :)

Well that person I stated don't really understand what is wrong and what is right- so yeah she's hard to advice-
YukinaMomomiya Featured By Owner Jun 17, 2014  Student Digital Artist
You Know Someone In DA Named Ruchii P Just blocked me for NO REASON, i don't know why she block me
Trackdancer Featured By Owner Jun 20, 2014
LOL - I get blocked all the time. Usually after an argument with some smart a** teen - I get ticked off easily. ;)
So my best advice is to just shrug, add them to your own block list and move on. At the end of the day, its more fun communicating with people who actually like you and can put up with your quirks, right?
YukinaMomomiya Featured By Owner Jun 21, 2014  Student Digital Artist
Yep, You're Right :>
Kuwaizair Featured By Owner May 19, 2014
deviant art users will consider telling someone that foxes are not the ancestor of pomerians as bullying, if you go "You said that Pomerianans are domesticated foxes and you are an expert in canines? where did you get your education from? under a rock?"as bullying and they will kill them  self from it.
Trackdancer Featured By Owner May 19, 2014
I've had a pretty good experience for the most part with other DA users. Some parts of the DA community are asinine to be sure but I don't come across them too often.
YukinaMomomiya Featured By Owner Apr 20, 2014  Student Digital Artist
You're Diary Is Awesome ! By The Way how They Can Be A MMD Police ?
Trackdancer Featured By Owner Apr 21, 2014

How to become the MMD police? I don't know but it seems that the only qualifications you need for that are a big mouth, ego and sense of self importance. Smarts not need. ;)
RosetheSeedrian Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I remember getting cyper bullied for a whole week on the month of my birthday... but i did stand up to her... I agree with you
Trackdancer Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2014
Good for you. Standing firm very often does the trick.
scn71402 Featured By Owner Dec 2, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I don't like the idea of ".... Police" because this may lead to Nazi-like community  which is described in Orwell's novel "1984".
Trackdancer Featured By Owner Dec 9, 2013
scn71402 Featured By Owner May 30, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Anyways, other "polices" (such as Silent-enforcers ) still annoy me. "Policing" does absolutely nothing than ensuring and enforcing the "order" of that "police". Instead of actually working on stuff - doing a creative job, they just point on the rules utilizing PLZ accounts that can fatigue an eye. Talking to them is also a pain in the nuts - considering reference to other commenters and quoting your ones.
I have absolutely nothing against children using MMD. Naturally, children learn stuff faster than any adult, and with nice treatment they may even take over an adult. But when it comes to negative, mean interactions, that kid will feel very suppressed and lose an enthusiasm. On DA, you can "run away" from cyberbullying by just blocking a user, and comments can actually be "flagged as spam". In order to prevent "drama" and FTC lawsuits, I upload my models (for being availiable to children) on non-commercial, non-official, fan-made forums (i.e., or official forums for popular virtual worlds like OurWorld or ChitChatCity. By the way, even for older audience, these virtual worlds may be a very inspiration for character design.
Then, I would be very glad to see any model, even if it is "illegal". If it's cute, I will just turn into neko boy and hug. If something, both technical and esthetical, is needed - I'd rather just explain it. Distribution must be private - at least I'd rather just use an email/PM conversation and share a link. Anyways, this may not impact the copyright owner if it's private.
All this goes to MMD. But "polices", to be honest, must be abolished. Look at Silent-enforcers . They are not DeviantArt admins or moderators. All they usually do is pointing out on DeviantArt's terms of service, and jackhammering them into brains of everyone, and also reporting pics and users. It's the moderator's job to track the user behavior. DeviantArt moderators and staff have the "DA" logo near the username, and it actually has to be THEIR job. They get money for this job. But these silent enforcers do very little or almost close to zero actual creative work. Look at TOYOTA--IQ . No words are needed, just a sight.
Same applies to anything else, MMD as well.
Trackdancer Featured By Owner May 30, 2014
I hear where you're coming from. People like the group that you mentioned just seem to me to be people that have too much time on their hands, but their viewpoint as published on their front page is valid. People do have a right to protect their intellectual property right and there is a lot of abuse of that going on around DA. I can relate to their belief system, not too such about there method of response as I can certainly see where issues may arise, but then again, they do have the right to protest if they find their own work used without permission. The big issue is that they might overstep their bounds and intrude into an area that at the end of the day is only the business of the originator of a work and someone allegedly using that work or part thereof without permission. Its' a dumb thing to do anything as they could end up in a lawsuit filed by either or both parties.

I approach my work in a different light, and it's not a standard approach. I only post 'some things' on sites on DA - things which do not affect my bottomline - ie. any work from which I can expect to receive real profits are never publically published or used by me, only by those who paid real money to commission the works. And in their case, they have real legal protections and lawyers to protect their rights.

Also, please don't take individuals to task by name publically. Its generally not a wise nor respectful thing to do regardless of what you may personally think of them.
scn71402 Featured By Owner May 31, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I actually think that copyright etc are the rights related to the material. Non-material rights are the "plagiarism protection", in fact when they mention "retracing" they usually hate not just spreading/sharing without permission, but also recreating, remaking, or remixing the works on your own, therefore "plagiarizing". All stuff that consists of both making sharing without permission (or even at all) and remaking/remixing (both without permission and at all) - that's what they call "art theft". When someone "retraces" my works I am just happy since it became popular. In fact, Creative Commons license allows this. About "underage" thing, I don't even care about it as well. I've read FTC's website, and lawsuits occur only when the website has an actual knowledge about children. By "reporting" users they do nothing besides providing an actual knowledge. Besides, FTC's children's privacy laws don't have anything regarding pedophilia or mature content, just about personal information collection. Details are there:… . Website's TOS and U.S. federal legislations are very different things.
Due to similar police "officers", I don't post anything on deviantart anymore. If you try to post on DA stuff that is non-profit only, that's very good. I don't even expect any profit from my works.
Trackdancer Featured By Owner May 31, 2014
I'm totally against 'policing' or forbidding or stifling retraces or works that evolves from a concept created by another. Human history has taught us that development is a process where one person has an idea and others work on that idea and makes it even better. 

Also, many beginning artist learn by directly copying the works of more experienced artists. This was how artist in traditional classic art learnt their trades not so long ago historically. Should they then be able to sell that work and profit from it is a separate issue, but the act of making a direct copy for the purposes of self-education I am not against.
Nikoman3344 Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
:iconclapplz: I love this journal!

A huge problem in the MMD Community is all the people who go out of their way to try and censor people who "break the rules" (oddly enough it sometimes comes from people who hate censorship). Like "Take down that model pic, its an illegal edit!" or "Don't edit that model, you're disrespecting the creator".

I also remember seeing a base that someone made but they didn't allow to be edited. This was a wtf moment. The sole purpose of a model base is to be edited, why make it so it wasn't allowed to be edited? That's like being given a blank canvas and then being told you can't paint on it.
Trackdancer Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2013
What you mentioned there will be what is/was known as the "MMD Police" which was a very unpleasant crowd. But I do believe that it is more a thing in the past as the rest of the community have consistently pointed out that, that sort of behavior is undesirable in a community that thrives on sharing resources.

As for your example of the base, well, if you think about it, the base itself was probably an edit of someone else's original work and then the editor makes these silly restrictions for it. Makes you wonder about the integrity and intelligence of some these people doesn't it? If I really do not want people editing something I just won't release the model publicly. As for most of my other work, much of it is protected by the license under which they are released, but even then, if people do need to make some changes to them and does so privately on their own copy, as far as I'm concerned I don't have any issues. I'm not "God", I make mistakes and people have a right to correct mistakes as well as to make changes to their copies of my models to allow them to work the way they want. Right?
Nikoman3344 Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
"... if people do need to make some changes to them and does so privately on their own copy, as far as I'm concerned I don't have any issues." <---- I'm a little confused here, do you mean that you're okay with them editing your model as long as they're editing a copy and not the original? Or do you mean something else entirely?
Trackdancer Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2013
Specifically, I am OK with people editing or just using parts of my stages if this is done on their copies and these are not publicly redistributed.

Almost all my stage models are covered by this Creative Commons License: CC-BY-NC-ND. This means specifically:

(1) People can redistribute the models in it's entirity subject to the Terms of the License. IE. You can send to friends or even upload it and host a link to it on MediaFire (for example). If someone chooses to host the same model on DA, that's actually permissible, but then I would seriously question the motives of someone doing something like that. Honestly, I am not real comfortable with people redistributing my models, but the real intent here is to make private sharing legal, possible and hassle free.

(2) BY - probably 50% of people who use my stages don't get this part and are technically in breach of the license terms. Simply, if you use it, you must give credit and don't even think to try to claim as your own work as at least one cretin tried to do. This also affects (1) above as if you don't give proper credit and a link back to the original model, I can take someone out with a claim for infringement of copyrights.

(3) NC - Non-Commercial. I'm not making money from this, so why should anyone else?

(4) ND - No Derivative Works. This essentially stops people recoloring the stages or models and then offering the "edit" as a download in their own right. However, if you want to do that, and people have taken parts of my stages or edited them privately to use in videos, this is fine. If they're working in collaboration with someone else and the parties shared the edited models privately, likewise I have no issues with people doing this. 

The whole point being is that I am fairly liberal when it comes to sharing my work. As long as people respect the Terms and spirit of the CC license, I am pretty laissez faire about the whole thing. I just don't want to see people using my work just to increase their page views as basically, that's not the purpose of issuing these models under a CC license.
kolotho115 Featured By Owner Aug 7, 2013
After reading this I just can't say how much I respect you right now ;u;
Trackdancer Featured By Owner Aug 7, 2013
Thank you.
kolotho115 Featured By Owner Aug 7, 2013
Your very much welcome :)
AskOrlenaLouisiana Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Thank you! You and SonicWillRule have very good insight to the crap that goes on in the MMD community
Trackdancer Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2013
Thanks for the comment. Where there is life, crap follows - that's why we need to walk our doggies ^^
AskOrlenaLouisiana Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
(( That too ))
DesignerRarity Featured By Owner Jul 18, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
MMD Police is corrupt and useless...
kolotho115 Featured By Owner Aug 7, 2013
Since when where they police any way
DesignerRarity Featured By Owner Aug 7, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Well, they autodeclare "police", i said they autodeclare "police" poliiiiiiiiiiiiiiiceeeeeeee 

They auto declare but they are not sincerely
zenimoonchild Featured By Owner Jul 11, 2013
wel his whole bullying thing has taken on a new level here on DA
I got lets say a group of kids there leader has two acounts here on DA
and there mostly under age of 18 years

they stalk me on my facebook and troll the facebook groups I am in
even posting what is called troll models with a hate message in it rather than a mmd model to share

the facted is there not even in my part of the world they deem them selfs safe fro the ani bullying law

in facted there rather called trolls not the cute ones with the gem stones in there belly buttons
but true monsters of the inernet

these group of under aged children go threw model rapeing aka stealing model makers parts editing them to diva game ripped model bases and getting priase or peope begging for there edits lets take kio's missmoonlight meiko model

this model was under a password now I did post a nice rendered posed of this model not long after words
taki or takiamon or what ever his da acount is called ends up with a diva game ripped meiko wearing the same kimono

this is what pisses off model makers off when some one does this he did not even give kio credit for the clothes
420weedlord420 Featured By Owner May 18, 2013
cool explanation!
(something out of topic though, I just wanted to say that I felt kinda sad when you said it takes time for us to get enough layers of emotional protection to ignore the negative feedback from society. Because my parents always insult me and I feel very bad about it. And they hit me too.)

but well good journal!!
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